First of all the dude got himself involved and immediately became antagonistic towards the officers of the Law (Park Rangers). Asking for his ID was proper as to the need to ID the dude as the father of the minor, and to cite him or his alleged son with a vehicle citation. When the dude became belligerent, he was properly detained by being handcuffed. He resisted his detention and was now criminally resisting a lawful investigation and subject to arrest. He only had to act like his alleged 11 year old son, by identifying himself as requested and then would have been allowed to walk away. Otherwise the officers would have been held responsible if they released the minor to an adult who was not his father and later found to be harmed or kidnapped..reason for the questions and need to investigate and identify the adult dude.
Sorry you two are completely incorrect in your assessment of the situation. I thought you had common sense in your other videos, however it appears that you’re now playing the race card as many other black activists do…
Hope I’m wrong….
M A C, a minority Hispanic former Army vet and former LEO from LA, Ca..
Spoken like a true LEO – you folks always close ranks when one of your own is caught handling a situation poorly. The problem here was very clearly with the female officer, who was more concerned with showing what a “man” she was than actually de-escalating the situation. The male officer showed much more common sense in his approach, and wasn’t so hell-bent on being a by-the-book a-hole. I’m convinced that if the female officer hadn’t been on the scene, things wouldn’t have deteriorated as they did. Certainly the father could have been more calm in his approach and that would have made things go much more smoothly. However, it’s obvious from the behavior of his son that he did a decent job raising him, and the fact that he’s there with his son is a pretty clear indication that he actually cares about him. He also obviously knew that his son’s scooter was legal – i.e. he had already done his homework, much to the surprise (and disappointment?) of the officers. It’s understandable that someone who is already being responsible would feel angry when they’re still stopped and questioned by the authorities. Perhaps the biggest problem with most LEOs is that they lack the ability to place themselves in the shoes of the very people they’re supposed to serve. The male officer here did show some of this understanding in the video, but absolutely NONE from the female officer. And by the way, I know a bit about LEO culture and behavior, being a retired employee of a police department (also in southern California). Your bias here is obvious – there was absolutely NO “playing the race card” involved in their comments – just exposing poor behavior on BOTH sides, which you apparently found hitting a bit too close to home. If you’ve been tuning in to these guys just to hear negative criticism of blacks, you’re here for the wrong reason to begin with. (Just for the record, your Army vet and “minority” status don’t give your opinion any additional validity, so why bring it up?)
It might no matter if it’s over 50cc. Many 50cc bikes have been made over the years that don’t qualify for federal moped status because they can go faster than the federally mandated 35mph for mopeds, or 30mph mandated for some states. Either way, they also must be street legal with lights, horns and brakes to be a moped. Then there’s licensing/tags required in many states. And many states restrict the minimum age to ride a moped, and others also require some type of government issued ID. Laws vary by state, locality, and country.
The kid was probably fine, but daddy is another story.
First of all the dude got himself involved and immediately became antagonistic towards the officers of the Law (Park Rangers). Asking for his ID was proper as to the need to ID the dude as the father of the minor, and to cite him or his alleged son with a vehicle citation. When the dude became belligerent, he was properly detained by being handcuffed. He resisted his detention and was now criminally resisting a lawful investigation and subject to arrest. He only had to act like his alleged 11 year old son, by identifying himself as requested and then would have been allowed to walk away. Otherwise the officers would have been held responsible if they released the minor to an adult who was not his father and later found to be harmed or kidnapped..reason for the questions and need to investigate and identify the adult dude.
Sorry you two are completely incorrect in your assessment of the situation. I thought you had common sense in your other videos, however it appears that you’re now playing the race card as many other black activists do…
Hope I’m wrong….
M A C, a minority Hispanic former Army vet and former LEO from LA, Ca..
Spoken like a true LEO – you folks always close ranks when one of your own is caught handling a situation poorly. The problem here was very clearly with the female officer, who was more concerned with showing what a “man” she was than actually de-escalating the situation. The male officer showed much more common sense in his approach, and wasn’t so hell-bent on being a by-the-book a-hole. I’m convinced that if the female officer hadn’t been on the scene, things wouldn’t have deteriorated as they did. Certainly the father could have been more calm in his approach and that would have made things go much more smoothly. However, it’s obvious from the behavior of his son that he did a decent job raising him, and the fact that he’s there with his son is a pretty clear indication that he actually cares about him. He also obviously knew that his son’s scooter was legal – i.e. he had already done his homework, much to the surprise (and disappointment?) of the officers. It’s understandable that someone who is already being responsible would feel angry when they’re still stopped and questioned by the authorities. Perhaps the biggest problem with most LEOs is that they lack the ability to place themselves in the shoes of the very people they’re supposed to serve. The male officer here did show some of this understanding in the video, but absolutely NONE from the female officer. And by the way, I know a bit about LEO culture and behavior, being a retired employee of a police department (also in southern California). Your bias here is obvious – there was absolutely NO “playing the race card” involved in their comments – just exposing poor behavior on BOTH sides, which you apparently found hitting a bit too close to home. If you’ve been tuning in to these guys just to hear negative criticism of blacks, you’re here for the wrong reason to begin with. (Just for the record, your Army vet and “minority” status don’t give your opinion any additional validity, so why bring it up?)
It might no matter if it’s over 50cc. Many 50cc bikes have been made over the years that don’t qualify for federal moped status because they can go faster than the federally mandated 35mph for mopeds, or 30mph mandated for some states. Either way, they also must be street legal with lights, horns and brakes to be a moped. Then there’s licensing/tags required in many states. And many states restrict the minimum age to ride a moped, and others also require some type of government issued ID. Laws vary by state, locality, and country.
The kid was probably fine, but daddy is another story.
Doesn’t the kid need a helmet they need one to ride a bicycle why not on a motorbike